Listen to the GRACED Podcast

00:05:22 Finding Your Inner Truth

00:09:43 Finding a New Route to Your Destination

00:17:42 Losing Vision and Turning Inward

00:18:53 Spiritual Awakening and Listening to Your Spirit Guides

00:24:42 Spirit Releasement Healing and Psychic Surgery

00:32:54 Soul Fragmentation and Piecing Them Back Together

00:36:35 AD – FREE COURSE: How to Create Your Own Tarot and Oracle Deck https://howtocreateyourdeck.mysticmondays.com/

00:37:19 Spiritual Awakening

00:43:30 Familial Link and Past Life Trauma

00:53:44 Creation of the Dream Vision Tarot

01:01:14 Rapid Fire Questions Begins!

01:01:42 Question #1: What is Emma’s Sun, Moon, and Rising Signs?

01:04:38 Question #2: What is Emma’s Advice to Her Younger Self?

01:06:53 Question #3: What is Emma’s Favorite Ritual?

01:09:25 Collective Reading from Emma’s Dream Vision Tarot Deck

01:11:50 Wrapping Up the Episode

01:15:04 Endtro

01:16:04 End Screen

Welcome to the GRACED Podcast! A space for everyday magic for your everyday life. We do this through rituals, aligning yourself to your soul’s purpose, and creating Alchemy to heal our mind, body, and spirits so that you can bring in more love and joy, manifest your desires, and believe in your dreams. Listen and watch over at grace.com/podcast and on YouTube, Apple Podcast, Spotify, Instagram, TikTok and all the places you can find me on social media. Now let’s dive into today’s episode.

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Full Transcript

💖 Introduction

Grace Duong:

Hello hello! Welcome to the GRACED podcast where we talk about how we can infuse more everyday magic into your everyday life!

Today’s guest is Emma Zhang, creator behind the Dream Visions Tarot and Dream of Nile Tarot, which are both self-published decks that launched on Kickstarter. Emma’s psychic visions and experiences with the spirit realm are illustrated within the cards in a beautiful, colorful, and mysterious way.

The theme of this episode is The Chariot card, which is partly inspired by our own journey’s lately with incidents that have happened in cars. I mention some of this in my solo episode where I talk about why I took a podcast break, but for some reason during my Chariot year, I had my car broken into twice, my laptop stolen twice, and the first time it was broken into, it was completely stolen! It was crazy. And things just seemed to keep happening to my car and I couldn’t quite explain it. And in Emma’s case, her spiritual awakening emerged because she got into intense car accidents that while she lost her vision, which she regained back, those accidents also opened up her third eye, which we talk more about in this episode, amongst other things.

And not only that, we are doing a giveaway of Emma’s Dream Vision Tarot deck on Instagram, so make sure to follow along there to enter on how to win the Dream Visions Tarot!

Now let’s dive into today’s episode!

Grace: Hi Emma, welcome to the GRACED Podcast.

Emma: Hi.

Grace: Thanks for being here. So today we are talking about the themes of the Chariot card. And when I think of the Chariot, I think about willpower, ambition, inner drive, and what takes us on that journey. And sometimes I even think about our modern day cars. So I was wondering how you feel about the Chariot card and what comes to mind.

Emma: Yes, I actually think that card is really funny. I feel like it’s so conflicted because on one hand is the Cancer sign, which is the homebody. I want to stay at home, but also at the same time, you’re on a ride, so dude, what do you really want? Yeah, I think that sign is so interesting. I sometimes feel like it’s another side of Libra to just find the perfect balance of your inner peace and your outer drive for some reason. Yeah, that’s my short take on that Chariot.

Grace: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I feel like the alignments of the inner drive can help then spur you to take whatever leaps you need to take in your outer reality, because sometimes if we’re not completely aligned internally and externally, it can create different results than what we wanted. So, perhaps internally, we might experience some internal conflict about the direction that we want to go in, and then externally, it results in us going off road, for example.

Emma: True. Yeah, so better sort out your inner conflict first, otherwise this ride is going to take you to a lot of places. It has a tremendous power too, spiritually, I think. I don’t know. I feel like when Cancer makes a decision, I want to go down this path and find the truth and yeah, they can go really deep. And also I feel like it’s a very emotional card too. So you drive down this road to explore your inner self. So we all know Cancers, they are in their emotions. Sometimes they drive very deep. They feel deep too.

✨ The Interview Begins with Emma Zhang

Grace: Hi Emma, welcome to the GRACED Podcast.

Emma: Hi.

✨ Finding Your Inner Truth

Grace: Yeah. Yeah, that’s so interesting that you say that because there’s like a statistic, like 90 percent of your decisions are actually based on your emotions. So if you’re feeling shitty one day, you might go off and buy a bag of chips or whatever, because you’re feeling bad. Nothing wrong with chips, everyone. But you might just. Always make decisions that aren’t in your best interest for your long term goals because of an emotion that you’re feeling. And I also feel like when I think about Cancer, I think about safety and protection. And there’s something about feeling safe when you’re making decisions. And there’s something about when you’re not feeling safe and you make a decision. And I feel like that’s also about aligning yourself in your internal compass of what feels true for you. Sometimes we don’t completely know what the truth is, and I think that does speak to what you were saying about journeying into your internal truth, into your internal world to find that truth.

Emma: Yeah, it’s funny we would start with internal truth because I do feel that way because every time when I do reading, for some reason that card never reminds me of trouble because usually it’s the Sun. Oh yeah, you go out, the weather is great and you’re feeling happy and positive or some kind of Six of Swords moments like you’re leaving a situation, but Chariot is always representing finding the inner balance and then marching towards the truth that you identify or like from the standpoint of where you emotionally at and then go towards to that direction. And also it does relate to safety because I feel like a lot of times when we don’t feel safe and secure, it’s like a fight or flight type of situation. You can go anywhere trying to react to whatever is going on externally. So that card really calls people to find the inner balance first. And then, yeah, usually people will, when we draw that card, I even drew that card. There’s a black horse and there’s a white horse facing. It’s almost like the shadow self, the subconscious and conscious. It’s in a perfect balance. It will lead you to the right path and almost feel effortless when you do that. Yeah.

Grace: Yeah, there’s definitely an integration of your shadow and your light and coming into acceptance with these parts of yourself. And I love that you mentioned that because something I do love about Tarot in general is that there’s a lot of duality present in the entire deck, but in terms of the Chariot and having it represented with balance, there’s two Sphinxes driving you forward in the traditional Rider-Waite card and in your card that you made, horses, and I feel like the two is also represented in a way where it’s balancing this duality, the light and dark aspects of self and integrating that because there are shadow aspects that we can shed light on to fully understand and move forward because sometimes if we don’t recognize our own blockages or if we don’t acknowledge these parts of ourselves it can be hard to move forward and we can wonder why something’s not happening as fast as I want it to happen or this thing isn’t manifesting or that isn’t working out. And I think a lot of times that isn’t working out for a reason. Like maybe you needed more time to shed light onto that blockage or to become aware of what’s really happening so that you can move past that blockage quickly once you recognize what it is.

Emma: Yeah. I totally agree with what you just said. And on top of that, you do need to make a conscious decision when you’re trying to balance those two sides of your inner self. It’s like this you’re in the middle and you’re trying to balance the instinct and also the wheel. What is going on right now? I need to find the perfect balance too. Actually, I also feel like this card is more like the Lovers card in motion. It’s trying to make a decision, finding balance, and then you also go with your instinct and just start to set in motion, goal, starting to do the thing that you set off to do. And also this card requires courage too, because you do need to feel the confidence that, Oh yeah, I can march towards that destiny or like the, wherever the directions you want to go.

✨ Finding a New Route to Your Destination

Grace: Yeah, I feel like there’s a lot of fuel to the fire with the Chariot card where you have your plan and you’re ready to move forward and sometimes we are presented with roadblocks, we are presented with re routing ourselves to a different location and, for example, My personal Tarot card of the year happens to be the Chariot, and I experienced some car stuff this year. My car was broken into twice this year. My laptop was stolen twice this year, because my laptop happened to be in my car. And, yeah, it was actually stolen the first time. Crazy, but I remember in the middle of the year, I went to a past life regression training and the drive was only supposed to be about three hours or something like that. And I stopped in a town, I met up with a friend for lunch, and then it was only an hour away from that point. But it was hailing. It was crazy. The cars were blocked, and I went back and forth, maybe three times, like trying to get out of that rainy situation. And it wasn’t until I came back to that little town after being stuck for maybe two hours and rerouted myself when there was a clear path.

I felt like that was very interesting to note that literally my car took me into a different route, or I took myself in a different route after I finagled with my GPS, but sometimes life takes us in different directions that we didn’t expect. Sometimes it takes longer to get to a certain destination, and sometimes that’s exactly what is meant to happen. I don’t actually know what the reason was for the hail and all of that stuff, but there was an inner trust and an inner knowing that I was going to get to my destination eventually. And I actually used some light language. It was wild because I had just activated my light language, and I remember using it and just asking for help. and one of the guys rolled down his window because I wasn’t sure if we were actually able to move forward or not. And he just tells me and everybody else who is listening that the road is blocked. So that for sure told me that I needed to turn around and find a different way to get to where I was going.

All of that is to say, I think the Chariot really represents modern day life. I think about cars and actual modes of transportation to get you from point A to point B, and sometimes it can take you to point A2, or whatever is the midpoint between A and B, or maybe it takes you to Z for a little bit until you get to B. So I’m wondering, have you experienced anything like that in your life?

Emma: Yeah, well actually I have stories like my Chariot, but I do want to comment on that. I have a feeling that you might accidentally did some kind of reality shift or shift when it comes to the timeline because it’s just so fascinating because you use extra time, right? And then the weather was so weird and you’re pretty much isolated within your vehicle, which, like the Cancer sign, it’s hard outside, but inside is the human. It’s you, and it protects you, but I feel like you might shift your timeline. I don’t know. It just sounds so fascinating.

Grace: It definitely felt like a shift in timeline, like one side turned back and decided to go another way because it was completely clear in that other path.

Emma: Yeah, that’s fascinating. My story with vehicles is kind of traumatic, but I will try to make light of this whole situation. But I did get into a lot of car accidents, which is not fun. I don’t recommend it. So keep safe distance with other cars. Do not rage. It’s not good. Before I graduated from my art school, I was in Baltimore. So I got a job in California. I was like, Oh, it’s perfect timing to do a cross country road trip. So with that in mind, I just. On the road to get my car checked, so I want to make sure, like, all the hardwares is good, and so I can do this road trip. And then on my way there, same thing, extreme weather, so the rain all of a sudden started, and because I had a silver car, and it was a rainy day, and also, that whole area was so industrial, there’s no trees. A silver car is the least car I guess you can spot on the highway. I got rear ended by a truck and then it just started, it’s a hit and run. I don’t even think they actually noticed they hit my car because I have a tiny little silver car in the rain on a rainy day. Nobody can see that. It’s a gigantic truck.

So I was basically spinning on the highway for I don’t know how long, I just remember I was spinning and then I hit my head. Actually, that’s the second time I hit my head. The first time was in Indiana anyway. So I get into car accidents a lot. I’m grateful my car is totaled. There’s no way to get it back, but I’m pretty safe besides my brain.

My brain was like, Oh, this is confusing. What’s going on? I had like, you know, a kind of loss. Well, not completely lost my vision, but half of my vision was just gone. It was so blurry for a long time. And also it’s very light sensitive too. I feel like I was so stubborn to resist everything from the universe to a point. They were like, how about we just shake your little car so we can wake you up. And they tried it three times until I just really surrendered. I was like, okay, okay, cool. Don’t do this anymore. I’m going to listen, I’m going to meditate, I’m going to open up to whatever information you want me to carry it off, but seriously, don’t, please, stop. Don’t hit my head. Yeah, that was my story.

Grace: Yeah, that is really intense. So, just to reiterate, you went through three different car accidents that resulted in brain injury.

Emma: Yes.

Grace: That also resulted in your spiritual awakening, is that right?

Emma: Yes, it’s like the most unpleasant way to open your third eye, I’ll have to say. I guess the universe does not really have a standard menu when it comes to spiritual awakening, so they just open up your third eye however they want. Mine was a wild one. I was like, oh, my soul is so intense and I signed up on this type of ritual to awaken. That’s cool. But now I look back, it’s cool, but I don’t like experiencing it.

Grace: Yeah. Yeah. I just want to acknowledge you and how strong you are and the ability to laugh about it because that is pretty traumatic to go through. Not just one time, but you went through it three times.

Emma: Yeah. Okay. So this is why I learned. So once you get a brain injury, it’s so much easier to get another one. I don’t know why. I was like reading all those medical papers and trying to figure out what’s going on with my brain. I hit the left side of my brain. So my spatial senses were very bad. And also it’s bad for my memories, which I think is good because it’s actually pretty good to not remember a lot of things. You’re like, ah, life is great. I don’t remember any bad things happening to me and it affects my logic too. So yeah. And also time. Oh, time is a very interesting thing. So I hit that side of the brain that I don’t sense time. It feels great for a few years. It was just like two hours, 10 hours. There’s no difference. Life is awesome.

So I use that opportunity to go on a lot of long road trips just to go to places. Cause I don’t feel like it. Driving for 10 hours is a torture because it really doesn’t. My brain doesn’t comprehend time anymore. It was quite nice.

✨ Losing Vision and Turning Inward

Grace: Yeah. So you mentioned that you lost your vision and you felt like your third eye was opened at the same time. So do you feel like using this Chariot analogy of journeying back into yourself, do you feel like that loss of vision forced you to turn inward?

Emma: Yeah, let me clarify that. It’s not like I completely lost my vision. It’s that my vision is so sensitive, I would prefer to close my eyes because everything is too bright. I remember laughing when I went to school. Just indoors with normal light, I have to wear two layers of sunglasses to make sure that I can somehow see the shadow of people, but not have way too much light in my eyes. So that was that bad. It does help me to tap into my feelings because I can’t look at the screen.

No drama for me. I can’t watch anything. I guess I just close my eyes and really think or feel. Actually, I think in Hinduism, one eye represents the sun, one eye represents the moon. When you close that, you can feel your inner eyes. It really does feel like the universe has shut down my sun and moon just to coincide with our journey.

✨ Spiritual Awakening and Listening to Your Spirit Guides

Grace: Yeah. What was that like experiencing a spiritual awakening? Because it’s different for everybody, and I feel like with your beautiful deck, the Dream Vision Tarot that you made, like, literally this feels like an Ayahuasca journey, and I didn’t even take any Ayahuasca, just looking at this deck, right? Clearly you’re connected to your guides, and I know that you’re also inspired by your guides, so how present were they with you during the accident or any of your accidents? Did you feel them around you? And what was the journey like of how that led to you creating the Dream Vision Tarot?

Emma: Thanks for the compliment. I was like, when you said it’s an ayahuasca journey, I was like, oh, it’s really just my brain injury. Grace, you’re so sweet. You’re so nice. Uh, it’s really a dysfunctional brain. I’m kidding. No, but I’m pretty good now. I think a human body has its own way and its own pace to heal itself. And right now I’m good and I can do a lot of regular human things.

People don’t have to worry about me, but yeah, let’s come back to the topic. I actually, at the time, I wasn’t connected with my spirit guides. I was running away from this. So I have to confess I discriminated against what I’m doing right now. I didn’t like it because I feel like I just want to be normal. I went to art school, study design. I just want to be a regular designer and have a normal human life. That’s all I wanted. Because I actually was able to see things when I was a kid and my mom was quite freaked out. She was like, when you’re a kid, you constantly tell me like, Oh, I saw this come into our home. I saw that and like those kinds of stuff. And I couldn’t sleep at night. So I was just talking to random people. Of course it’s not real.

My mom was just like, but she picked a name for me. She gave me the name of a ghost. She was like, Oh, I’m flipping through this dictionary. Let’s see which one is… I was like, this is not pulling a Tarot card, okay! Can you just calculate like every other responsible Asian parent, like calculate my chart and realize what elements I need and give me a really decent name. She was like, Oh, let’s see what fate takes her. And then she literally gave me the name of “ghost.” So that’s like the symbol of a ghost in Chinese. So it’s a mountain sign and then it has all the spider net. And I was like, mom, you literally gave me this. You give me a symbol. Something about Chinese is sometimes you need to take it seriously because it’s like a very ancient thing. It’s not just language. It’s like a spell. It’s like a charm. So you give a kid the name of “ghost” and you’re expecting her to be healthy, happy, and not talking to ghosts.

Grace: Now I feel lucky because my Chinese name translates to mysterious pearl.

Emma: Oh, that’s beautiful.

Grace: Or something like that. Mysterious tinkling pearl.

Emma: Yeah. See, it’s a pearl, it’s mysterious. My mom just straight up used “ghost”… okay.

So it’s actually, I think in ancient times, it’s used to describe a dark cave that never gets sunlight. She’s just saying, it looks so nice, it’s symmetrical. I was like, this is not, we’re not talking about art pieces here. But anyways, I just have to accept it. But growing up, people in Asia, I don’t know, it really depends on the era. But when I was growing up, everybody actually said that, oh, yeah, if you’re being a psychic, you have your curse, it’s a bad thing. It’s not something that’s being glorified, or people will like the things you do, people will be afraid of you. So I get this impression as a kid that something that I can see that I can’t tell people because they are going to freak out and they’re going to dislike me. They’re going to judge me. So I’d be running away from that.

And yeah, ever since I turned like a teenager, I just stopped seeing a lot of things. I’ve been sensitive, but I just stopped seeing things. I was like, Oh, that’s cool. I turned normal, huh? Nope. I feel like they still somehow find a way. You have to remember who you are. You have to remember you have this skill. If you keep running away, which I’ve been doing, they will find a way to help you remember.

Grace: So, what are some other ways that you found they were trying to help you remember in your life besides the car accidents, which is major, by the way.

Emma: Yeah, they’ve been collaborating on a lot of very interesting plots. After I quit my corporate job, I still have this lingering fear and feeling like, Oh, maybe I just freelance, or maybe I just found another one that will be different from the current one. So I will find a normal job. I can still do spirituality. Okay. That’s my ignorant thought. And then funny enough, right before my presentation, like, the cloud drive where I save all my work somehow got locked by my school, which is in a different time zone, that I couldn’t have figured out. I can’t attend the presentation because I don’t have any work to show. I have nothing.

Grace: Well, now they’re just impacting your grades.

Emma: Yeah, I was like, ugh, really? Thank you. Sometimes, I appreciate that because I feel like it is a very needed intervention because I made a lot of dumb decisions based on fear. So, I didn’t actually get to know them till three years ago, I think. Really get to know them. I do know spirits follow me, but it was just like, yeah, I feel like somebody talked to me. Until I started to practice spirituality for real study, I was starting to see them build strong connections. And right now we do collaborations and we do healings together. Yeah. And I also do readings. So I have a YouTube channel, like I’ll do readings. So it’s pretty much just my spirit guides talking through me.

✨ Spirit Releasement Healing and Psychic Surgery

Grace: Yeah. So you call yourself a spirit releasement healer and a psychic surgeon. So tell us more about that and how you collaborate with your spirit guides to facilitate these healings.

Emma: Yeah, so spirit releasement is a really interesting experience. At the beginning I didn’t know, I guess it has something to do with my ability to see things. My brain is just very easy to self hypnotize, if that makes sense. Actually, this practice has been with humans for thousands of years. Every single culture actually has some form of shamanism, right? Basically, what I do is that I will collaborate with my spirit guides, travel to space. It’s more like in between fourth and fifth dimension, like where the empty space is, and starting to connect with the soul that actually needed the healing. So in there, there’s actually an energy grid you can tap into. It’s like everybody has their domain, their ID, once you get their permission. You can actually go to that net to find that person and to actually examine their spiritual condition and do healing for them. That practice has been carried out by almost every culture. I was like, where, like in Mongolia, I think early Christianity actually talked about disciples going from town to town, casting all the bad spirits out. It’s actually some kind of form of exorcism. That is linked to that. So yeah, basically what you do is you go there and look at everyone’s energy condition and I don’t want to scare everyone, but also check if there is any attachment, if there is any energetic damage in that person’s energy field. So you go fix it. It’s pretty much just reading a person’s frequency and afterwards that person will feel better.

In terms of psychic surgery is something I just recently learned. So I learned it from Maid4Luv. So she is a teacher that’s actually teaching this class if everyone’s interested. So it is a very comprehensive process. You do need to go to Akashic Record to read your past to know the genesis of the origin of this karma, why you’re suffering right now, especially for health issues, where that actually comes from and then adjust your DNA energy plate in your ace chakra. We have another chakra above. It’s almost like your personal Akashic record. So that has all of the DNA information and also generational information there. So you need to go there, adjust that, and afterwards you will go do a psychic surgery. It’s pretty much going to an organ bank to find an energetic, new blueprint to replace the current organ you have. And that is very tricky because not everyone is allowed to actually do that procedure unless you already figured out that karma because karma is a very interesting thing.

Sometimes we’re experiencing the ripple effect of karma. So some people have already experienced it or already have gone through that, but are still suffering from it. So you need to go there and ask if you already actually finished everything. And this is just like an extra, usually it is. And then when your karma is balanced, you can actually get a new energy organ and then put it back into your system. So that’s pretty much it. I’m trying to simplify this. I’m sorry if I make it so complicated and confusing.

Grace: Yeah, this is fascinating. You are able to, through your work, journey to different realms and If you’re experiencing any health issues and needing some sort of new energy code or blueprint, as you called it, there is an organ bank that sounds universal where you can obtain these codes. So what is the process like of journeying throughout these different realms? Like what is the difference between the fourth realm, the fifth realm? Do you feel any difference? What is it like to journey within different people’s energy fields? And what do you do to enter that field and exit that field?

Emma: Yeah, I have to say that I’m still learning and when it comes to different realms, I accidentally step into a lot of places that I don’t want to go. Anyways, it’s actually a very complicated process, I’ll have to say. And also, I think people aren’t aware that when you are in that realm, you’re very vulnerable. Some powerful psychics can actually stay transparent, then spirits or interdimensional beings won’t spot them. But yeah, it requires practice. And also you have to diligently clear yourself after that process, because every time you go to help other people, you’re making energy connections. It’s a responsibility as a healer to close that fully. So you are actually safe from the people you heal. And also yourself are actually not being affected by other people’s energy. Otherwise you just get drained. I promise you after one or two clients, you’re starting to feel all their feelings if you don’t close it up.

Travel to realms. It is a very fascinating thing. I’m still learning and reading because a lot of times I don’t want to define those because I know there’s a lot of people who actually publish those knowledge. The thing is that not every realm is happy and light. I learned it the hard way, but sometimes spirits can take you to very interesting places.

I figured that actually traveling to the past is some sort of safe, because you jump in timelines. You see who they were and what they were doing. You can feel their feelings, but still, it’s not so dangerous. But when you do soul fragment retrieval, which is a very fascinating process. There’s many books about it. If people are interested, they can go on Amazon. They have everything. So that is very fascinating because we really don’t know where this soul actually lost their fragment. Some just got lost in the timeline, which is fine. Some lost on the planet. That’s cool. You get a chance to travel to a different planet to see, Oh, you were an alien before and this is your soul fragment. Let me get it back for you. But there are… shall we say, hell? I don’t know. I don’t want to put it lightly, but you could lose it there. There is a possibility. So when that happens, sometimes it takes a few days for the healer to actually recover because the energy is so negative. It’s so low vibration, it takes a few days to just fully recover from what you’ve seen, because whatever could be really traumatic. I’ve been working with Archangel Gabriel to just clear my memory whenever I see some kind of demonic force and curse and stuff, because it’s just not helpful to keep those memories. I’d like to just get it out. Yeah, it’s very interesting.

Grace: Yeah.

Emma: But recently, I got an excuse to take a break from that job because I need to publish my deck. I’m aware about my responsibility to heal people, but also at the same time, it could be very intense, so I can’t really make it available, make it more like a commercial Tarot reading. Oh yeah, whenever you want to book one with me, it’s not the case, unfortunately. So I’ve been trying to figure out if there is any other way to help other people heal instead of doing it one on one. I’m still figuring that out. One day. Yeah.

Grace: Well, perhaps your spirit guides have an answer for that.

Emma: Yeah, I actually recently realized opening portals work through videos. So actually I tested out a year ago. It does help. So I’ve been trying to open portals to all the positive realms where it has light or open portals, collaborating with higher vibrational beings like archangels or certain gods and goddesses to get their permission to actually allow their energy to flow through those kinds of media stuff like sound and videos. Yeah, I will, I’ll probably do more.

Grace: Amazing. We’ll definitely link it up here in the podcast.

✨ Soul Fragmentation and Piecing Them Back Together

Grace: So earlier you mentioned Soul Fragmentation, and how does one’s soul fragment to begin with, and how is it pieced back together?

Emma: So we all know souls dwell in this body and integrate it with your current body, but actually that soul is infinite because that’s the one from the creator. Nothing can destroy it. So it travels through body to body. So you have a lot of incarnations. And if you think this life is dramatic, just try all the ones from ancient times. It’s really brutal sometimes. Okay, so what I see is that a lot of times traumatic experience happen, and your soul tend to flee this body because they want to protect you, because no soul wants to be in the body when the body is actually experiencing some kind of physical punishment, or just could be really traumatic experience when you’re a child, because children’s perception is totally different.

Everything is actually amplified because they’re very energetic and sensitive. So when soul experience tends to flee out of the body just temporarily. So just let your physical situation settle down and they will come back. But once they extract themselves in the air, sometimes some of it will forget to come back, and will be left in that time and space.

So it’s like an ID. So during that time and space, that little soul fragment will be there. It will still linger sometimes. So a lot of people actually experience soul loss. Because right now we can see a lot of people have mental problems and hard to sleep and sometimes get sick because some people will have the experience like when you experience something really scary, you got sick the next day or you will Be sick for a while, or something really bad happened in your life that’s really shocking and you’ll feel sick for a little while. So that’s more like a sign of a soul actually lost, because when the soul is not completely in your body, it’s starting to feel like you’re, I’m not myself. And also the body will not function as it’s supposed to be. And also when your soul is still back in time and that space, it can still experience trauma.

So a lot of people feel like, Oh, people are just triggering me left and right. They just keep triggering me. Like the whole world is triggering. It is not because the whole world is triggering you. It’s because that piece of soul fragment is still there being triggered by that very moment that’s still there. So I think there’s a lot of books documenting this process. I can actually share with you some of the books later on. They’re talking about the process of how to call the soul and bring it back. Indigenous people have that process. It’s really beautiful. There’s drums and you work with animal spirits and you’re in a safe space with a shaman and they will call your soul back. So you will start to feel like You’re fully in your body and the reunion of your soul is actually really beautiful. You will see, cause everyone has their soul like dwell around their heart chakra. So once you see that little spark come back and the lotuses will start to flourish, it’s really beautiful. It almost feels like a very psychedelic experience when you see that all layers of colors will radiate from that space. It’s really nice, but sometimes scary because I actually treated more than a hundred clients. Most of them have very traumatic childhoods. I don’t know. Sometimes it saddened me to know actually when they were a kid, they experienced that. So when you’re in that space, it’s very hard to separate your feelings with theirs. So you blend in with everything that happened at the time. Again, a very interesting profession. If you feel drawn to, I recommend, but not fun when you see everyone was experiencing something traumatic. Yeah.

Grace: Yeah, for sure.

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✨ Spiritual Awakening

Grace: So during this spiritual awakening that you had, and you were led to a path of awakening your gifts as a healer, as a psychic surgeon, as a medium, do you feel like this is part of your purpose? And even though you are seeing things that are unpleasant and possibly even traumatic for you. Do you feel like you are now on the right path? And what are some signs that confirm that for you?

Emma: Yeah, I definitely vowed to do this because Although my equal conscience really wants me to be a designer.

Grace: You still are. You’re still using that in your decks because you have a second deck that is in production right now called the Dream of Nile, which is also beautiful. I have a similar background. I’m also a designer by trade. That’s what I went to college for, and I was always into art. Growing up, and I feel like creating a Tarot deck in a lot of ways awakened my spirituality as well. I was on the spiritual path beforehand, but woo, making a deck, you really learn the lessons of the cards. And here’s the thing, I think that whatever you go through in your life, I think that prepares you for whatever is next. You are still a designer, you’re just using it in a different way.

Emma: True. It’s a very funny thing. After I quit my job, I realized that nobody wants my design work, but they all reach out for illustrations. And I was like, huh, that’s interesting. Okay. But yeah, I did feel a sense of that. I’m on my mission now. The sign is so clear. So right now, because I’m on the path of the things I am supposed to do, this is not bragging, but everything else for some weird reason, is getting taken care of. Like, all those mundane things that I don’t like to handle, for some reason, I will get support as long as I stay on this path that I’m on right now. The thing is, like, you can’t really explain because everything is happening in this reality. It’s like that they locked my Cloud account, so I can’t present, so I can’t become a designer, but the same thing will happen.

They will help me in a certain way whenever I need help with certain things and it will happen. And I do have to say, I wasn’t really healthy. I was constantly getting sick when I was a kid. Ever since I started doing this job, I just feel personally, I’m just healthier. I, for some reason, it almost feels like, oh, there’s a divine power like flow through me.

I rarely feel. Sick at all, but if you know my mom, she’s like, I was prepared that you died around your early 20s because you’re just constantly sick for every single humanly possible reason. You just constantly get sick. But ever since I started doing this, I just don’t. Weird. I’ve become the healthiest person. I’m like, I remember my friends were like, Oh, your hands are really warm. I was like, I used to have cold hands and cold feet all day, every day. And I will catch every single seasonal flu. Even if it’s not in the season, I can catch it. I’m just like.

Grace: It sounds like because you’re doing this energetic work and being really mindful of boundaries from client to client and making sure that you’re cleansing yourself, you may also be doing that in your daily life. Maybe you just have more boundaries for the energies that you were taking on as a kid.

Emma: That’s true. Oh, talking about boundaries. Energy boundaries are so important. Everyone who’s listening. It’s not that we don’t have empathy for whatever everybody else is going through. It’s that we do have to realize that every soul has its own journey and their own lesson. We can never digest or process anybody else’s problem. I learned it the hardest way because I did a hypnosis session back then before I started this psychic career. I realized I made a really stupid promise to help other people. Like I was like, Oh, let me take on their pain. Yeah, I took on their pain, but I took away their right to heal their pain and also I created extra karma for me. I also created extra pain for myself and there is no way my spirit guides just say straight on my forehead. There’s no way you can help them to heal their pain. So do you learn it or not? I was like, okay, I’m sorry. It’s painful. Please take it away. I’m sorry. I just, I didn’t know. I had no freaking memory. Every time when we incarnate it’s okay. Refresh. You don’t remember anything. But you are taking on the burden of your previous behaviors. I was like, how is that even? Okay, fine.

Grace: Yeah, I feel especially like sensitive, empathic people who just naturally want to help other people, you might just take that on. It could be family. It could be really close friends. It could be your coworker. It could be a woman on the street that you have empathy for.

Emma: Yeah, I’ll give you an example. As I was just a sensitive kid, all I wanted was for my mom to be happy. But for some reason, the culture background and the history of the country at the time and everything and generational traumas and stuff, my grandparents went through war. It was just too intense for their generation. And then of course my mom will get the firsthand taste of like all the wounded souls come back home, , and start raising kids. Imagine that. Yeah. All I wanted was just my mom to be happy and I spent the majority of my life all the way till my thirties. Okay. . I was just like, okay, I realize that I can’t help her. And now she’s so happy. I was like, can someone just tell me earlier? Seriously? Not saying that we should leave them alone when they need emotional support, but saying it’s like trying to resolve other people’s emotional trauma and wound is, it’s not wise, you can’t help them. And also you’re dragging yourself as well.

Emma: So when I started learning healing, I remember there was a healer, her advice still echoing in my head. She’s saying, you need to focus on yourself. Every single time when I said, oh, I have a sense of feeling, I have this mission to heal humanity. Of course, I was being dramatic, but I was saying very innocent statements like that. She’s, you know, coming back to heal yourself. Because if you’re not ready, like, how are you going to help other people? Because you’re going to let other people drag you down, have no boundaries, and create more trauma and dramas for yourself. So, yeah, definitely not. Yeah.

✨ Familial Link and Past Life Trauma

Grace: Absolutely. Yeah, so I feel like the Chariot card, which is an echoing theme in this episode, I feel like there’s also like this journey of autonomy and individuality and we come from a family of origin and we have these instilled beliefs of depending on each other and things of that nature and wanting to belong. And I feel like there’s a certain strength and power that comes from really finding yourself because it’s true, you really can’t be there for other people if you don’t really know how to be there for yourself or if you’re constantly taught to give parts of yourself away in order to please people or to be liked or malleable if you don’t have a strong sense of your own identity, which I feel like the Chariot card is very much about your own identity and seeking that willpower to go after what you want.

And it’s funny that you talk about Strength because Strength is the next card! In the Tarot deck, after the Chariot, number 7, there’s number 8, Strength. And sometimes we have to find the Strength to break away from these dynamics that don’t really serve us anymore. So even though you love your mom, and I can relate in a lot of ways, You have to find yourself first, and I think in my own personal experience, I found that I think I really also wanted to like really help my family out in that way where I was really giving myself and over giving myself to the point where I think I lost some of my identity, where I didn’t really know who I was for a really long time, and so coming back into my own sense of Self and who I am in my individuality, I found too, in my outer reality, that my parents seem to be doing better. Everyone else seems to be doing better now that I’m doing better. It’s such an internal reflection of an external type of situation where if we’re not balanced within ourselves and know who we are internally or giving ourselves that sense of support, how are we expecting others to know how to give that to us?

And sometimes we have to find that, sometimes we have to go through that journey of darkness, or the darkness of the soul, and face ourselves, face our shadows, because I think oftentimes trauma, especially generational trauma, is past down because the parents and the parents and et cetera, they weren’t willing to look at those shadow aspects of themselves. And if you’re listening, you’re probably willing to look at that part of yourself. It’s not easy, but it’s definitely well worth it.

Emma: Yeah, I remember I talked to a friend of mine who was saying like, yeah, his dad wasn’t in the picture his whole life, but when they reunite, he’s, I’m just a copy of him. And that generational trauma is real. Although he did not grow up with his dad, he was pretty much like carrying all of the personality, the traits, the good and the bad. You process that in your body. And also I feel like, yeah, cause the reason why we really want our parents to be happy is because think about it. Our soul loves this family line so much that we are coming down here to have a contract and to be like, to have the closest relationship with them, like our parents, but though some people might, they have to, they’re so different paths, like they might have adopted parents. It’s a very interesting karmic bond, but yeah, like we love them so much. We do want them to be happy.

It’s like a desire from this pure side of your soul because also at the same time you want yourself to be happy because you’re directly linked to them. All the DNAs are actually vibrating at the same time. The reason why I said it’s important that you’re happy first is because first you have more control and agency over your own body and also at the same time. It’s not a secret, but it’s something that I feel like people should talk more about, is that your DNA is actually quantumly entangled with them because it’s a copy from there. The frequency is very similar. The reason why when we’re happier, when we start to heal ourselves, somehow our parents just magically become better, is because they are quantumly entangled with you.

So the reason that the only way to actually help them is to deal with whatever within you. They will just immediately get onto the energetic field that you’re at. So it’s so much easier. Because the thing is, you can’t change your mind. You can’t just, okay, mom, I think you need to do this ritual for 24/7 for three years, but you can do that.

I’m not saying everybody should do it, but I’m just saying you can actually commit to certain practices and to heal yourself. And then you will see the results. Directly on your parents, they just start to exhibit the results, and you’ll feel better, and then they feel better, and everybody, like it’s a very beautiful frequency dance, and things will just get better and better because of you. Yeah.

Grace: Yeah. That makes so much sense with the quantum frequency and how DNA is intricately linked to one another. Because I find that it’s not like sometimes it feels miraculous, honestly, when I’m like doing my healing and then I see the external shifts happening with my parents. And on the other hand, they’re still them. They still have things about them that trigger me. But, I see it, and I’m like, oh, that thing that used to trigger me so much, it doesn’t trigger me as much anymore because I’ve done some work around that, and they’re still going to be them. There are some things you can’t change because they’re so comfortable being them and embodying those aspects are probably annoying to you, and I’m speaking from my experience.

And then I’m just like, oh, that thing that used to bother me, it’s not energetically vibing with me anymore, so I’m not gonna deal with it, or I’m not even gonna let that emotionally bother me the way it used to, where I would used to get really caught up in that emotion, and sometimes We might be addicted to that emotion. We might be addicted to feeling sad or angry about something because we want to hang on to some level of connection, even if it’s an emotion that isn’t necessarily pleasant. So I think that’s also just like checking in with yourself about XX meaning X person or whatever, like their behavior was bothering me and I’m allowing myself to feel a certain way and you could also allow yourself to feel a different way. So basically, you have choices. You don’t have to react in a way that you are patterned to behave, if that makes sense.

Emma: Yeah, absolutely. And a lot of times I feel like facing parents, it’s like facing an older version of you. And some, I, I absolutely relate because my mom actually visited me earlier this year for three months. It was a lovely time. Also, it’s a lot. learning experience. I remember Ram Dass said, oh, you think you’re enlightened? Go spend a week with your parents.

Yeah, you need to find the balance, which is the integration part of like your roots, like you hold near and dear, but also at the same time, you need to identify what is the difference like you are not them because your soul has Its own journey as well. You also have to recognize that, yeah, part of me is from you guys. I need to process it the way my soul, because every soul has a unique pattern. It’s funny. If I saw there are similar traumas that happen to different souls, their reaction is totally different and it will cause different past life trauma. And then they will react in a different way because witch hunts happened and they were just. A lot of women back then actually had a traumatic past life. Let’s give you an example. Some people start to be more angry. Some people will become very fearful. Like they will not touch anything related to that. They will start to feel they want to hide their identity. But some people feel like They want to fight even more.

Yeah. And slavery as well, because it happens to every single culture. So when you see somebody enslaved in the past, or some people will feel like, oh, I have no choice. I will be poor all the time. Some souls will start to manifest illness to get rid of their limbs, just because they were being locked up. What the soul understands is that if I get away, because there’s like a Chain or something on their ankle all the time. So if they can get rid of that, they can get their freedom.

Grace: Yeah. That’s super interesting, because I think at the end of the day, it’s about intention, and the motivation behind that intention. If someone wants to free themselves, perhaps, from that example of removing a limb or manifesting illness, to then protect themselves, or to experience freedom in a subconscious way, to free themselves from that past life experience, it’s really interesting, because then you get to dive deep into all these different timelines, and you’re journeying down potential narratives that didn’t even exist or didn’t exist in this lifetime that you knew of.

Emma: Yes, sometimes I feel like, oh, I wish I listened. I wish I studied harder in history class. Because a lot of times when you go to a place, you’re like, where is it? What kind of language they’re speaking? I wish I knew their culture a little bit more, but it turns out like afterwards, I did do some research.

I was like, oh yeah, they do have that in the past. That’s interesting. It’s a really fun way to learn history. Highly recommend it. Do a past life regression and know where you were, who you are. It’s really helpful because then you have a bigger picture of, oh, what type of soul I am and what do I want to do? And the reason why I said that is because. I saw that I was like a fortune teller somewhere living in Nepal. I was a man and I was blind. My whole life was just like people give me whatever the food. I would just be on the street, throw some kind of bones, those joints from smaller animals that you can predict futures for people. That’s all I did. And it makes sense that, oh, yeah, seeing in darkness actually is more comfortable for me, traveling, because my soul remembers. I don’t really see much light, I just only, that’s all I see is some blurry visions through my third eye.

✨ Creation of the Dream Vision Tarot

Grace: But you’re able to translate your “blurry visions” into really beautiful illustrations here. And I would love to talk about the creation of the Dream Vision Tarot, what that was like, because it’s described as being created during your spiritual awakening process. And what was it like to collaborate with your spiritual team on this?

Emma: Actually, at the time, I was taking a mediumship class about how to connect with your spirit guides. It’s offered by Charlotte, and she’s a really cool medium. So I was like, oh, that My Spirit Guide looks interesting. And at the time, I was very unhappy with my corporate job. You know, it’s not that I didn’t have a good job, or I just feel like some part of my soul is not happy. My dear friend at the time, also my co worker, she likes drawing illustrations. Shout out to Annie. She inspired me to draw illustrations. I was like, oh, that’s cool. How about I make it like a practice because I wanted to build a strong connection with my spirit guides, so I go visit them. And also the time I get really into Tarot, I just want to use Tarot as a prompt. It wasn’t intended to publish a deck. I didn’t really think about it. I was like, oh, those are really easy prompts that I can draw and also I can build connections with my spirit guides. And yeah, I just started posting it online and people are starting to resonate with me. I was like, I’m already half deck through, so I might as well just finish it and figure out a way to publish it because I had no idea. I had no clue.

So this whole deck is more like my serious spiritual practice and my love to my spirit guides. I was like, oh, thank you for giving me guidance and always being here with me. Even though I wasn’t acknowledging you for 30 years, 30 more years actually, they still unconditionally support me and love me.

I was like, huh. Yeah. So the majority of the stuff is channeled. If it is not channeled, it’s really funny. That’s my creative process. I wish I could have a clear idea of how things go. I can’t, so everything is channeled. It’s like how I feel, literally some picture. Oh, the Fool card is very interesting. Now it’s starting to become a pattern.

Yes, that one. I literally saw that in my dream. Because usually people start a deck with the Fool, so they start drawing a Fool and stuff. I started my deck with the Lovers card, and I had no idea what the Fool would look like. It almost feels like somebody just put a flashlight on your eyeballs. Give you a picture like putting a projector inside of your eyeball. This is going to be the Fool card. I woke up in the middle of the night. I was like, Oh my god, it feels like a permission that okay, you can complete this deck and this can be published because without a Fool, it’s not a Fool deck, but I was really struggling with that for a while.

Same thing to the Dream of Nile. I think I started with Judgement. And later on, I changed it, but it’s not until later down in the process, I was like, I wonder when the Fool is gonna show up, because I had zero idea. And then one night is, yeah, a projector put in my eyeball again. Sorry. It’s like, I’m not even sure if it’s like the correct metaphoric expression, but yeah, I almost feel like something is projecting in your eyes. And then I had to wake up in the middle of the night and draw, sketch it out. I was like, Oh, I got to remember this. It’s like the Fool card. It’s okay. I got permission to publish this one. That’s good.

Grace: Yeah. Do you feel like during the creation of the Dream Vision Tarot and the Dream of Nile Tarot deck that you’re creating right now, what were the lessons of the cards that appeared for you in the perhaps even the difference between the two decks that you’ve created.

Emma: Oh, yeah, they have totally different personalities. I think Dream of Vision is more allowing yourself to explore the unknown and really unleash this, practice your third eye, and really go out and explore and it’s very expensive. I would say go out and extend. your senses beyond just like your eyes and your nose and five senses you have explored beyond that.

So for Dream of Nile, it’s a very big ceremonial commitment that I did not realize. My innocent thought was, oh, I love Egyptian culture. And I had three lives there. I was like a farmer and I was like, I wouldn’t say artist. Like at the time, I’m more like a craftsman. Like you do those drawings on the wall and for sarcophagus, those kinds of stuff.

And also I was like serving in the temple as some type of priest. So yeah, I was like, Oh, this is really cool. Like to just tap into the roots and The thing is, it’s like, that the whole culture is very, I would say they’re very strict when it comes to this, and they have a lot of very interesting geometrical, like, mathematical stuff, and also it’s very heavy.

You can tell it’s from a different time of the Earth. It feels very different. And also the gods do have requirements. I, for gods, I have my two cents. I don’t think it’s the complete picture, but based on my healing experience, a lot of times humans are so powerful collectively. If we believe in something, it will manifest the pure energy of that.

So there’s a lot of gods from ancient Egypt that the energy you can tap into. Yeah, they were telling me to stay away from meat. Like, they were, like, literally telling me, like, you want to draw me, then you need to stop eating meat. And I was like Because the thing is, like, I was stacking with some of the cards for weeks. I just couldn’t move forward. I was like, okay. Let me try. Actually, I’m really grateful for that instruction. I’m just completely staying away from meat now and everything is actually great. And funny thing is they will keep you with your word, so you can’t really just, oh yeah, I will stop eating meat and like later on just go back to it.

I tried. It’s not a pleasant experience because like immediately I can feel the emotions and the suffering of the animal and I have to stop. And I was like, okay. I feel like it’s funny that the Divine always has me in check. I’m not sure if maybe everybody has their unique story interacting with Divine. Oh, you promise? What are you doing? They really check me. They’re not gonna let me slide.

Grace: How did they check you?

Emma: Like what I said. I was like, oh, I promise I’m not going to eat meat. So I finished the drawing and then I went to hang out with friends. They’re like, oh yeah, just a little bit. It should be fine. I was like, yeah, it should be okay. And I ate it. I experienced the worst feeling, not the worst, but like you immediately start to feel the emotions of the animal in your body and the whole night I was so sad and so uncomfortable and then I meditate and go ask my spirit guides they were like you said you’re not gonna eat it I was like I didn’t put a timeline I thought it’s just for that one card now I’m scared of meat I was like oh I will run away I have no problem when people Eat that. I think it’s rich in protein, like a lot of science studies say it’s healthy. Actually, I was chatting with my spiritual cohort and they’re super fascinating psychics and they’re saying like, yes, a certain blood type is just better to eat vegetarian. So yeah, probably I’m that blot type. I don’t know. Yeah, they would tag me like that.

✨ Rapid Fire Questions Begins!

Grace: Yeah, definitely. So, we’re gonna wrap up our conversation with some rapid fire questions and also a collective reading from your deck.

Emma: Oh!

Grace: If you’re alright with that.

Emma: Oh, yeah. You’re gonna do a reading? Yeah.

Grace: You’re going to do a reading.

Emma: Oh, of you? I was like, oh, you’re I was like, oh, sorry. I’m like, oh, who’s doing the reading? Yeah.

✨ Question #1: What is Emma’s Sun, Moon, and Rising Signs?

Grace: We’ll start with the questions and then we’ll end with the reading. So what is your Sun, Moon, Rising and do you resonate with your signs?

Emma: My Sun is Aquarius, my Moon is in Pisces, and Rising Sagittarius. I think I resonate with my Pisces Moon the most, sorry, Aqua and Sag. I didn’t know that the Moon sign can affect a person that much, because I was born at night when the moon is shining and the sun is resting. Yeah. Definitely relate to Pisces a lot. Sagittarius, yeah, because I can talk forever. Yeah, that side of Sag, which I love.

Grace: Yeah, and Aquarius, I feel like, also has the, I think, humanitarian aspects, but also this eccentricity.

Emma: True. Yeah, I care about other people, but also at the same time, other people please stay away from me type of vibe. Yeah, Aquarius, I care for you so much. I want to stay away from you all.

Grace: That resonates. My Venus is in Aquarius.

Emma: Yeah?

Grace: Yeah, as a fellow Pisces Moon, I feel like I can relate to a lot of what you shared. And I feel like there’s a lot of visionary aspects to the Pisces Moon. It’s just receiving downloads, like, a lot. And for me, and it sounds like for you too, it just comes in the form of images a lot of the time.

Emma: Yeah, and also I feel like the Pisces is, people are like, oh, Pisces is so nice and gentle. No, it could be very domineering. Sometimes they will force you to choose your inspiration or like what I said, I tried to use my rational brain. Doesn’t really work quite well. It has to be intuition first. Now I learned the hardest way. I remember when I was a kid, every time my intuition was like, select option C. I was like, no, no, no, it has to be B, I calculated it! And then I’m always wrong. My intuition was like, told you. But yeah, I do that over and over again for over 30 years, and now I’m like, yeah, my Pisces is always ahead of the game, and just follow her and figure it out. Yeah.

Grace: Yeah, it’s like a certain journey in just trusting that inner voice because I feel like every time I cross my intuition, it just always gets me in some sort of situation that I regret. And my intuition is always, I told you, or you knew, and then you went off in that other direction, but I told you.

Emma: Exactly. Yeah. And you’ll be amazed how accurate Pisces are. Actually, everybody’s like, oh, they’re so dreamy. Oh no, they actually know a lot of things. Intuitively. Better listen. Yeah, I feel like whenever I walk into a room, I just intuitively pick up on everyone’s energy. But I’m just like, oh, it could be overwhelming.

Grace: Yeah. Especially, I think if you get attuned to, I don’t know, certain energetic practices. It can also be a lot. But two more questions.

✨ Question #2: What is Emma’s Advice to Her Younger Self?

Grace: What advice would you give to your younger self?

Emma: I would say, don’t be angry at people. I was a really angry child. Trying to understand people’s perspective. Because I think when I was a kid, I don’t know, I was just angry about the world and everything, feeling like everything is unfair. But it turned out all of the experiences I was experiencing were so valuable. I wouldn’t change anything, even like all the traumatic experiences. Yes, the car accident is not fun, but I also thank the car accident for actually waking me up.

There’s also a value when it comes to your enemies. I try not to take things too personal, I would say. I used to really identify problems with certain people. I really like blaming a person for my own misery and that was actually not the right way. Now I feel I really thank everyone who actually helped me to reflect on those things and help me along with my journey and be patient with me because I was really angry and sad at the same time.

Grace: Yeah, I feel like anger is also a really valid emotion, right? Because I feel like a lot of society tries to suppress anger, but I find that anger is THE emotion, if not the sole emotion. There’s probably other emotions, but I think anger really helps catalyze change.

Emma: True, yeah, I think, because when we adjust our lens into this current moment, this very self, this ego, that’s when you actually confine your soul in a very narrow spectrum, and that’s when you feel like things are not fair, things are just not going the way you want it, but once you adjust your lens and starting to see things in different perspectives, In a longer, like, time and spectrum, you actually can surrender and forgive.

One thing I wish I knew when I was a kid is that I actually know, because I, for some reason, was like being educated, you only have this one life, but just you and yourself and this kind of stuff. Kind of wish I was being taught or inspired to understand the soul’s journey. I wish people would talk about that. I wish everyone wasn’t trying to avoid that topic around me for some reason. It is what it is. Yeah.

Grace: Well, you found it.

Emma: Yeah.

✨ Question #3: What is Emma’s Favorite Ritual?

Grace: Yeah. What are some of your favorite rituals right now?

Emma: Oh, so I’ve been very loving this ritual called Remove Evil Eyes because I’ve been really into Hinduism lately and also some Tantric practice. Just genuinely curious about that culture because I think they have a lot of really cool shamanic rituals and also their Vedic astrology is very on point. Anyways, this ritual, you should do it on a Saturday because it’s Saturn’s day. So Saturn is the lord of all misfortune, but also at the same time, he’s the lord of magic, all the dark magic. So on that day, you can actually use salt in your palm and seven or nine dry peppers, and then get some black mustard seeds. So you put it in your palm and all of the stuff like here in your palm, and then just. Use that to circle around your auric field to absorb negative energies, and then you burn the pepper, and then you just flush the seeds and the salt, while preferably you throw it in the river. Of course, not everybody has access to the river, but you can just throw it away in your drain bathtub.

Because right now everybody is using social media and we share things a lot. You don’t really know where you get those hostile energies and people’s bad intentions. They could be jealous or they could be talking bad things about you because right now it’s really Rahul’s time where it has a lot of technology.

Everything is just a lot of information about people out there. Whenever people actually see your content, some people will generate positive energies towards your content, but some people might have evil eyes. So when those people have evil eyes looking at your content and are jealous, they might accidentally cast it. Of course, they’re not intentionally bad. But I believe some people are that bad. But anyways, it’s another topic for another day. Yeah. So they might cause bad energies towards you and may cause troubles for the project you’re working on, or just, you generally feel like something is not right. So this ritual is really helpful to remove all of that. I tried it multiple times. It’s really good. And it’s just generally like something I didn’t know, but when I tried it, it does remove a lot of energetic cuts in the body, which is caused by very hostile intentions from other people. Yeah. So this is a really good ritual. I highly recommend it.

Grace: I’m going to try that.

Emma: Yeah.

✨ Collective Reading from Emma’s Dream Vision Tarot Deck

Grace: Yeah. So are you ready for the collective reading?

Emma: Oh, yes. I’ve actually been shuffling my cards. Let’s see. How many cards do we draw? Just one card?

Grace: One is fine. One guest did three, whichever.

Emma: Oh, okay, cool. Oh, we got two.

Grace: Ooh, we got two.

Emma: Drum roll. Yeah, they stick together, come on. Ten of Pentacles and the Death.

Okay, for people, as we’re reading for the collective, right? I feel like there is overall energy to trace. I think this group wants to trace their roots. Because Ten of Pentacles, yes. Money, abundance, family life and stuff. But I feel like the listeners of the podcast can actually start to trace the root of their generational problem and start to identify and transform them into beautiful energy like the flower. Something I feel like is in the closet that wasn’t being identified is just like the family and generational trauma that we were talking about. You’re about to transform it into abundance.

Yeah, it’s very interesting that something in your lineage, because once you learn that lesson, I feel like ancestors will start to bless you. This is what I’m hearing. It’s very loud and clear because once you surrender to those karmic lessons for the family or for the people that connect with you energetically, blessings will come. Actually, people, I’m not sure if people talk about this aspect of death a lot, but I remember I was talking to an astrologer friend the other day, he was like, people don’t say that death is really good money. It’s actually that Pluto type of money that usually people do, like those big wealth, or it could be something that’s sold out, is so popular. So yeah, definitely for the collective wealth and abundance, it’s on the way, as long as you surrender to that lesson and really transform yourself. Yeah, and also, I feel like a lot of people are starting to realize a lot of secret codes of manifestations and unlock their potentials, because I feel like next year, there will be a big earthquake in the financial sector, but also is a time for a lot of people to really cleanse the previous pattern and be able to create something that will last for a really long time. So, yeah, it’s really good. I’m excited.

✨ Wrapping Up the Episode

Grace: Yeah! Yeah, amazing. Yeah, lots of transformation and I feel like that makes a lot of sense with everything we talked about today.

Emma: And also, I’m really excited for your deck. And congratulations for the funding on Kickstarter. It’s so exciting.

Grace: Yay! Thank you. Yeah, the Healing Herbology deck is crowdfunded now and I’m wrapping that up, but thank you.

Yeah, so thank you so much, Emma, for sharing your wisdom, your sorcery, your psychic knowledge. This was so insightful and I feel like for anyone that might feel lonely on their spiritual path, That there are signs all around you and Emma has been through so much and has survived to tell the tale three times.

I think that is a testament to Emma, your strength and your resilience and also the support of your spiritual team who really wants to see you shine in your psychic path.

Emma: I hear my spirit guides saying, also, I’m stubborn. I deserve that, so don’t feel bad for me. I think you’re so nice and kind to frame it like, oh yeah, I’m really, actually, I’m just really stubborn. So they have to use very extreme measures. Anyways. Yeah, sorry.

Grace: It was like a long lasting effect that you’ve had to, I think, live with for many years, right?

Emma: Yeah, it was not fun. I don’t wish it on anyone. When the universe knocks on your door, just answer that. Just don’t resist, I learned my lesson, it’s not fun. But also, okay, so now I look back, I think it’s a very fun experience to not really feel time. Genuinely had no idea what, like, the difference between two hours and ten hours, or sometimes could be days. Fun. That’s very psychedelic, I think.

Grace: Oh, for sure. There’s so much journeying in different ways that you can relate to the Chariot card, and not everything is linear. You’re jumping timelines. You’re experiencing ten hours as two hours, or you’re traveling to different realms and helping people. Get their souls back if they’re fragmented and things like that. And I feel I’ve also experienced some past lives. There’s also future lives. There’s just so many different directions and infinite ways that you can experience your reality and who is to question your reality, right?

I feel like whatever feels true for your essence and your spirit and ultimately what helps you become the fullest version of yourself. I think that’s the most important aspect to trust your intuition at the end of the day.

Emma: Yeah, for sure. Gosh, this podcast is wrapping up, but I was like, future lives? Grace, what are you talking about? What is your story? Okay, we’ll save it for another podcast, guys. I’m not the host.

Grace: Yeah, that is a whole other thing that we can get into, but absolutely, future lives.

Thank you so much, Emma! Bye!

Emma: Thank you, everyone!

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Grace Duong: Thanks so much for tuning into today’s episode with Emma Zhang!

Emma’s experience as the artist and creator behind her decks also illuminates her experience as a spirit releasement healer and psychic surgeon. Giving insight into family, ancestry, awakening to your spiritual gifts, and accessing spiritual realms, even possibly through trauma like her car accidents, is no easy thing to get through, so I’m glad Emma was so candid, open, and was able to share that with us today.

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